Postpartum Depression In Men? Fathers May Be At Risk Too | Megyn Kelly TODAY

>>> WE'RE BACK WITH AL AND JACOB TALKING ABOUT MEN AND FATHER HOOD OUR NEXT TOPIC HAS TO DO WITH THE STUDY ABOUT A CONDITION WE ONLY HEARD WOMEN SUFFER FROM, POSTPARTUM DEPRESSION

DID ANY OF YOUR WIVES SUFFER FROM POSTPARTUM DEPRESSION? >> YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS A CLINICAL CASE, BUT I THINK AFTER EACH CHILD, WE HAD TWO TOGETHER, AND I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE SOMETHING GOING ON I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS EVER OFFICIALLY DIAGNOSED AS SUCH >> IT'S A TOUGH TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OFFICIAL DIAGNOSIS OF THAT, TOO, BUT YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT MEN AND WHAT MEN GO THROUGH BUT LET'S BE CLEAR, WOMEN CARRY THE LOAD >> LITERALLY

>> I REMEMBER TALKING TO MY WIFE — GIVE IT UP FOR WOMEN, FIRST OF ALL [ APPLAUSE ] >> ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OUR WIVES ARE WATCHING >> THAT'S RIGHT I REMEMBER IN THE HOSPITAL MY WIFE WAS IN LABOR, I HAVE A HEADACHE, I'M GOING TO LAY DOWN FOR A SECOND, SHE GOES "NO, YOU'RE NOT!" >> SHE TOLD YOU TO MAN UP >> VERY TRUE

IN MAYBE NOT SUCH A POLITE WAY I DESERVED IT WHAT WOMEN GO THROUGH IS EXTRAORDINARY BUT IT IS INTERESTING TO THINK ABOUT AND TALK ABOUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS US ALL HOLISTICALLY AS A FAMILY >> WHEN MY GIRLS WERE BORN, ARIA THE HOSPITAL FOR WEEKS

IT WAS A DIFFICULT TIME WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY'D GET THROUGH THAT TIME MY WIFE DID HAVE POSTPARTUM DEPRESSION THE MAIN MEMORY I HAVE IS THE GUY TRYING TO HOLD THINGS TOGETHER, WHILE SHE IS, YOU KNOW, IN PIECES SO I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THERE'S SPACE FOR YOU AS A GUY

JUST BEING, TRYING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE FAMILY AND OF YOUR WIFE, BEEN AS YOU RIGHTLY POINT OUT, IS GOING THROUGH SO MUCH >> I THINK EVEN IF YOU ARE GOING THROUGH SOMETHING, I THINK CULTURALLY WE'RE EXPECTED TO BE THE STRONG ONES, HOLD EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND WHAT I THINK AS WE EXPLORE THIS, YOU KNOW, I WONDER IF MAYBE IT'S THE WRONG, IT'S NOT MAYBE THE CORRECT TERM, MAYBE IT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING, BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT CLINICALLY POSTPARTUM DEPRESSION WE'LL FIND OUT, BUT I JUST REALLY FIND THIS KIND OF FASCINATING >> IT IS A FASCINATING TOPIC WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT A RECENT STUDY CAME OUT OF THE JOURNAL AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION PEDIATRIC, POSTPARTUM IN DADS IS A REAL THING

ONE DAD HAPPENS TO BE BELIEVE IT OR NOT A PEDIATRICIAN AND HOW THIS DAD DISCOVERED THAT HE HIMSELF SUFFERED FROM POSTPARTUM DEPRESSION WATCH THIS >> IN 2013 DAVE AND STACY LEVINE WERE OVERJOYED WHEN THEY LEARNED THEY WERE EXPECTING THEIR FIRST CHILD >> I LEARNED WE WERE HAVING A BOY, I WAS A MALE AND I FELT AT LEAST WITH ONE I'D HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHAT TO DO I HAD — WE WERE EXCITED THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH

>> Reporter: LATER THE YEAR THE COUP COUPLE WELCOMED THEIR SON, ZACHARY, INTO THE WORLD, BUT JUST DAYS LATER, AFTER LEAVING THE HOSPITAL, DAVID BEGAN EXPERIENCING SUDDEN MOOD SWINGS AND DARK THOUGHTS >> I WOULD JUST SAY THEY WERE OF THE HOMICIDAL, SUICIDAL VARIETY IT FELT LIKE HE WAS ALWAYS CRYING AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT MY CHILD'S DOCTOR AND I HAD MENTIONED THIS TO MY CHILD'S DOCTOR, AND SHE SAID, DAVE, HE'S 2 DAYS OLD THIS IS OKAY THIS IS A BABY

>> Reporter: STACY REMEMBERS HER HUSBAND BECOMING INCREASINGLY IRRITABLE AROUND THEIR SON >> HE SAID HE DOESN'T LOVE ME, WHEN I PICK HIM UP, HE CRIES BUT WHEN HE'S WITH YOU, HE DOESN'T CRY AND AGAIN I WOULD SAY HE'S A BABY, I'M WITH HIM MORE MAYBE HE'S MORE COMFORTABLE IN MY ARMS BUT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH HIM AND I COULDN'T CONVINCE HIM OF THAT >> Reporter: A FEW MONTHS IN, A BREAKING POINT CAME >> YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CHERISH THESE LITTLE BABIES

WHAT THEY DON'T TELL YOU IS THAT, NOT EVERYBODY DOES, AND AT LEAST NOT IN THE VERY BEGINNING, AND SO THERE'S THE GUILT, THE SHAME, AND ALL THAT STUFF JUST RAMPED UP INTO ONE, AND THEN YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, SOME MEN CRACK IN DIFFERENT WAYS >> Reporter: SHORTLY AFTER, DAVID, A PEDIATRICIAN HIMSELF, CHECKED IN WITH A THERAPIST, LOOKING FOR ANSWERS >> AFTER I SPOKE TO THE THERAPIST FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE WENT OVER MY HISTORY, SHE'S LIKE, THIS IS, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE A DAD DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT POSTPARTUM DEPRESSION >> I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING WE ALL DEAL WITH THESE THINGS DIFFERENTLY, AND RECOGNIZING THAT YOU NEED HELP IS THE FIRST STEP

>> WE SHOULD POINT OUT, THIS IS MOSTLY THIS IS WOMEN HERE AND THE AUDIENCE WITH US, LOTS OF MOMS AND PEOPLE WERE REALLY REACTING, AS THAT TAPE WAS PLAYING OUT WITH HUGE >>> WE ARE BACK WITH DR DAVID LEVINE A PEDIATRICIAN, SAYS HE SUFFERED FROM POSTPARTUM DEPRESSION SHORTLY AFTER THE BIRTH OF BOTH OF HIS CHILDREN ALSO JOINED BY DR CATHERINE BERNDOFF, PSYCHIATRIST AND FOUNDER OF THE MOTHER HOOD SENSORS, AND ERICA CHANG, ASSISTANT PROFESSOR OF PEDIATRICS ATHE INDIANA UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF MEDICINE WHO WORKED ON THE STUDY WE'VE ALL BEEN DISCUSSING DAVID, WHAT WAS THE POINT OF WHICH YOU REALIZED THAT BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE PRESSURES WHEN YOU HAVE CHILDREN, WHEN YOU REALIZE THIS WASN'T JUST THE KIND OF PRESSURES THAT MOST DADS SUFFER FROM

>> I HAD TAKEN OFF TWO WEEKS TO BE WITH MY WIFE, WHEN MY SON WAS LIKE 2, 3 WEEKS OLD AND THAT'S WHEN I STARTED TO FEEL SOMETHING THAT WAS STRANGE, AS IN THE PIECE THEY MENTIONED STARTED GETTING SOME STRANGE VISIONS IN MY HEAD ABOUT MY SON >> VISIONS? >> YEAH — >> WHAT KIND OF VISIONS? >> LIKE I MENTIONED, SO IT EVENTUALLY CLARIFIED INTO LIKE I SAID, THE MORE HOMICIDAL, SUICIDAL VARIETY, WHERE WHENEVER MY SON WOULD REALLY START CRYING, WHICH I FELT WAS ALL THE TIME, WHEN I WAS AT MY MOST STRESSED, THE VISION — LIKE IT WAS LIKE A STORY AND THE STORY WOULD EVENTUALLY IT WAS ONE PART OF THE STORY AND GET LONGER AND LONGER AND THE ENDING WAS NOT VERY GOOD >> YOU'RE A DOCTOR, A PEDIATRICIAN >> YES

>> WHAT ARE THE THOUGHTS GOING THROUGH YOUR HEAD WHEN YOU'RE HAVING THESE TYPE OF HOMICIDAL THOUGHTS ABOUT YOUR OWN CHILD? DO I HAVE TO SEEK TREATMENT, WHAT WENT THROUGH YOUR HEAD? >> WELL, I'M A MAN, AND MEN DON'T USUALLY SEEK HELP >> A LOT OF STIGMA ASSOCIATED WITH THIS >> ABSOLUTELY, AND AS I WAS MENTIONING, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE ROCK, SUPPOSED TO BE THERE FOR THEM AND WHEN YOU'RE NOT FEELING THAT WAY, YOU DON'T KNOW REALLY HOW TO FEEL SO NO, I DIDN'T ACTUALLY SEEK HELP IN THE BEGINNING I KNEW THAT WHAT HELPED BEING A PEDIATRICIAN, I DID KNOW SOMETHING WAS WRONG

I GOOGLED IT LIKE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD, BUT IT WASN'T MUCH ONLINE ABOUT MEN HAVING DEPRESSION WITH THEIR KIDS I FOUND A LITTLE SNIPPETS HERE AND THERE BUT I DIDN'T DO VERY MUCH ABOUT IT I JUST SORT OF FELT LIKE YOU KNOW I GOT TO GET THROUGH THESE TWO WEEKS AND I WILL GO BACK TO WORK AND EVERYTHING WILL BE OKAY >> DR BERNDOFF, IS THIS SOMETHING, SOMETHING YOU FIND MORE AND MORE MEN ARE ADMITTING TO SUFFERING FROM? >> ONE I THINK IT'S AMAZING YOU DID AND YOU GOT THE HELP YOU DID

[ APPLAUSE ] THE MOTHER HOOD CENTER, THE NAME IMPLIES THE MOTHER HOOD, RIGHT, THAT IT'S ABOUT WOMEN, BUT WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT ONCE THE WOMEN ARE TREATED, WE'RE SEEING THE PARTNERS COLLAPSE AND IT MAY BE THAT IT'S HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME BUT THE MOMS THANKFULLY ARE GETTING THE RECOGNITION THAT THEY NEED, BECAUSE POSTPARTUM DEPRESSION IS NOT BEEN TALKED ABOUT VERY OPENLY SO I APPLAUD ALL OF YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE FORE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, SO IT'S ALSO HAPPENING IN DADS >> ERICA, TALK TO US ABOUT THE STUDY, A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE STUDY DID YOU KNOW THERE WERE CASES SIMILAR TO DAVID'S OUT THERE? WHAT WAS THE IMPETUS FOR GOING OUT AND LOOKING AT IT AND WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS FOR MEN, COMPARED TO WOMEN? >> SURE WE KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT OR WE KNOW A LOT ABOUT DEPRESSION IN MOMS AND NEW MOMS AND THAT'S A PERIOD OF VULNERABILITY FOR MOTHERS

WE DID THE STUDY TO SHED LIGHT ON THE CHALLENGES NEW DADS MIGHT BE FACING WE DID A SURVEY TO PARENTS THAT BROUGHT THEIR KIDS IN TO PEDIATRIC VISITS SO EITHER PARENT WHOEVER WAS THERE GOT A SURVEY TO ASSESS THEIR FRESIVE SYMPTOMS AND 45% OF FATHERS AND 5% OF MOTHERS WERE DEPRESSED DURING THIS TIME FRAME >> PRETTY SIMILAR >> SIMILAR RATES FOR MEN AND WOMEN

>> WERE YOU SURPRISED BY THAT? >> WE WERE THIS IS A SMALL SURVEY DONE IN PEDIATRIC HEALTH CLINICS IN INDIANAPOLIS IT'S POSSIBLE THE RATES OF DEPRESSION MIGHT BE DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT PLACES BUT I THINK IT DID SHOW THAT FATHERS ARE SHOWING SIGNS OF DEPRESSION MORE OFTEN THAN MAYBE WE THINK >> IN WOMEN, IS IT TRIGGERED MORE HORMONALLY AND THEN IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRIGGER? BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE ARE A LOT OF WOMEN WHO ARE SITTING THERE GOING, WAIT A MINUTE, HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? >> WELL, PARENTHOOD, BECOMING A PARENT IS A HUGE LIFE STRESSOR THAT AFFECTS PARENTS — >> WE DON'T FACE THAT ENOUGH WE DON'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THAT

>> RIGHT I THINK THERE ARE RELATIONSHIP CHANGES BETWEEN HUSBANDS AND WIVES I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF SLEEPLESS NIGHTS, A LOT OF SLEEP DEPRIVATION HAPPENING, FINANCIAL PRESSURES, ALL SORTS OF SOCIETAL PRESSURES THAT HAPPEN CAN AFFECT MEN AS WELL AS WOMEN DURING THIS TIME PERIOD >> WHAT ARE SOME OF THE WARNING SIGNS THAT YOUR PARTNER, YOU MIGHT BE EXHIBITING THAT YOU SAID YOU NEED TO GET SOME HELP? >> WELL, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR MEN AND WOMEN, RIGHT? SO YOU ASK THE QUESTION, IS IT HORMONAL JUST PROBABLY MORE HORMONALLY BASED, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE IN WOMEN

MEN ALSO HAVE HORMONAL CHANGES BUT IT'S A SITUATIONAL CHANGE RIGHT? IT'S AN IDENTITY SHIFT, LIKE A CRISIS, IF YOU WILL AND I THINK WOMEN TEND TO INTERNALIZE, THEY FEEL MORE SAD AND GUILTY, AND HOPELESS, AND TEARFUL MEN TEND TO EXTERNALIZE THESE ARE GENERALIZATIONS, BUT LIKE DAVID SAID, HE GOT VERY ANGRY >> I FIT THE BILL WITH THAT

I MEAN, MEN TEND TO BE MORE DESTRUCTIVE AND EXTERNALIZING AND DON'T TEND TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY WHETHER IT'S DRUGS AND ALCOHOL, IT'S, YOU KNOW, AVOIDANCE, IT'S WORKING LATER HOURS, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T HAVE GOOD OUTLETS FOR HOW WE'RE FEELING, AND SO ESPECIALLY IN MY CASE, IT CAME OUT IN FORMS OF ANGER, ANGER AT MY SON, ANGER AT FEELING THAT HE WAS REJECTING ME, THAT HE DIDN'T LOVE ME FOR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER REASONS I FELTD AT TH FELT AT THAT MOMENT AND CONTINUED ON WITH MY SECOND CHILD, THERE WAS ANGER AGAIN >> HOW ARE YOUR CHILDREN DOING NOW? >> THEY'RE GOOD >> HOW ARE YOU DOING NOW? >> I'M FINE IT'S SITUATIONAL, IT'S A PARENTING THING

>> IT'S TREATABLE, SO TREATABLE >> I GOT HELP AND I GOT TREATMENT >> AND YOU GOT A BREAK UNTIL THEY'RE TEENAGERS AND IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT DEAL [ APPLAUSE ] >> THANK YOU, ALL

THANK YOU, ALL IF YOU'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION IF YOU'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON PPD FOR MEN OR WOMEN, PLEASE

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